The idea of a “deep state” in the US government has become a hot topic in recent years, but does it really exist? And is it good or bad?
This episode’s guest expert, Professor Michael J Glennon, is possibly the best person on the planet to help us uncover the truth.
In this interview, Professor Glennon explains his book, “National security and dual government. “
Among other topics, he discusses how the reality of a “dual government” of the national security complex intersects with the more controversial term “deep state”.
(The interview starts at 5.45 p.m.)
In its most basic definition, the concept of “deep state” is that the politicians you elect actually have much less decision-making power than is presented publicly. Deep State theories suggest that behind the scenes there is a second group of individuals that you don’t know much about and have little public responsibility for, in fact making the decision to make the most important decisions.
On the far right, the concept of the “deep state” quickly goes deeper into the Qanon narratives of good versus evil. In these stories, the truly responsible dark individuals are inevitably prepared for painstakingly orchestrated plots to destroy all personal freedom, enslave decent Americans, and tear children away for incredibly horrific ends.
While for the lazy left, the other end of the political spectrum, the idea of a “deep state” is just one thing to be laughed at and grandly chuckled. State “as a sort of great savior-overlord of the government who will protect them from anything they fear (mainly people on the far right).
So what is the truth about “the deep state” Professor Glennon will help us understand.
Michael J. Glennon is Professor of Constitutional and International Law at Tufts University. He was legal adviser to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Professor Glennon has served as a consultant to various committees of Congress, the US State Department and the International Atomic Energy Agency. He has appeared on Nightline, the Today Show, NPR’s All Things Considered, and other national news programs. His opinion pieces have appeared in the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, International Herald-Tribune, Financial Times, and the Frankfurt Allgemeine Zeitung.
In this episode, Professor Glennon and Jim discuss the following topics:
How the US government is designed to operate … “not to promote efficiency, but to protect people from autocracy”
Checks and balances, separation of powers, decentralization of power
Historic rise of bureaucracy and political parties
Madisonians vs. Trumanites
1940s creation of the national security state
The United States moves from the republic to a more irresponsible system
Importance of civic virtue
Trumanites against Trump
CIA and NSA abuse in the 1960s and 1970s, American spying, MLK, anti-war protests
Trumanite influence on the presidency, the congress, the courts
No conspiracy, instead a “system” that has developed and grown that encroaches on the Madisonian structure, even with good intentions.
Dangers in the future unless people begin to realize how the US government is designed to operate
Don’t forget to tell people about the show and buy Professor Glennon’s book “National Security and Dual Government” from Amazon or your favorite bookseller.